tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-77762702841570429172024-03-20T21:36:46.789-06:00News Buyout 2008A blog for The People of the Dallas Morning News to share information about a career-altering event that they had no control to stop.Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger104125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776270284157042917.post-66481905695442009782008-11-25T22:21:00.004-06:002008-11-26T11:01:29.902-06:00Until further noticeWe will treat this post as an electronic bulletin board to leave comments on job postings, helpful links and any pertinent news for those who still come by the blog. There will be no posts until the next time storm clouds gather.Unknownnoreply@blogger.com14tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776270284157042917.post-13077272602873542352008-10-26T09:59:00.007-06:002008-10-30T06:39:26.076-06:00Goodbyes<strong>UPDATED THURSDAY, OCT. 30</strong><br /><br />Several of our colleagues have sent in notes and contact information to share with their friends at the Morning News. We will begin posting these on this thread as we get them. Let us also use this as a chance to share our thoughts with them.<br /><br />To read goodbyes from them, click on their names.<br /><br /><a href="http://newsbuyout2008.blogspot.com/2008/08/joyce-saenz-harris.html">Harris, Joyce Saenz:</a> food writer, lifestyles/arts (jesharris [at] sent.com)<br /><a href="http://newsbuyout2008.blogspot.com/2008/08/david-hinojosa.html">Hinojosa, David:</a> copy editor, sports (Dhinojosa [at] aol.com)<br /><a href="http://newsbuyout2008.blogspot.com/2008/08/clay-morton.html">Morton, Clay:</a> assistant editor for Rowlett/Rockwall Co, metro (claymorton55 [at] msn.com)<br />Pania, Tina: assistant editor, international (tpania1 [at] yahoo.com)<br /><a href="http://newsbuyout2008.blogspot.com/2008/08/marice-richter.html">Richter, Marice:</a> staff writer for NE Tarrant/Denton Co, metro (mhrichter [at] verizon.net)<br /><a href="http://newsbuyout2008.blogspot.com/2008/08/pam-troboy.html">Troboy, Pam:</a> copy editor, Universal Desk (ptroboy [at] aol.com)Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776270284157042917.post-42309157659059455262008-10-25T10:16:00.001-05:002008-10-26T09:47:49.546-06:00Q&AIf you were laid off and need advice, this is your thread to ask questions of the audience. Just leave a comment.<br /><br />Please remember there are links on the left-hand menu to helpful sites for employment and financial advice.Unknownnoreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776270284157042917.post-69821794679927662242008-10-25T09:51:00.002-05:002008-10-27T07:43:24.378-06:00JobsWe appreciate those of you sending in job openings. We have been able to expand our <a href="http://newsbuyout2008.blogspot.com/2008/09/more-jobs.html">job list</a> significantly. If you are willing to relocate, there are several good opportunities available.<br /><br />We continue to leave this as an open thread for anyone who knows of job openings. We also make this available for any prospective employer who would like to post a "help wanted" message.<br /><br />In addition, a helpful commenter from several days posted links to other employment sites. Those are included again in the comments of this post.<br /><br />Let us help facilitate our comrades finding a new positions.<br /><br /><br /><em>NOTE: Do not forget the </em><a href="http://newsbuyout2008.blogspot.com/2008/10/timely-workshop.html"><em>free workshop</em></a><em> for freelancing. The deadline to register is Oct. 29.</em>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776270284157042917.post-75095994320225063282008-10-24T20:29:00.014-05:002008-10-30T08:14:59.511-06:00By the numbers<strong>UPDATED THURSDAY, OCT. 30</strong><br /><br />Management indicated today that about 20 newsroom staffers were laid off. Al Dia reportedly lost four to five editorial people as well, cutting its staff significantly from when it first launched.<br /><br />Corporate <a href="http://www.ahbelo.com/pressRelease.x2?release=20080904-1659.html">announced</a> that the Dallas Morning News was targeted to lose 50 positions from the news, production, customer retention call center and Al Dia.<br /><br />When combined with the <a href="http://newsbuyout2008.blogspot.com/2008/09/sad-day-upon-us.html">buyouts</a>, the DMN newsroom lost about 46 positions throughout the process. The biggest losses were in lifestyles/arts, metro, photo and sports. Top managers estimated the staff size between <a href="http://newsbuyout2008.blogspot.com/2008/09/look-back.html">340 and 350</a>.<br /><br />Nearly all the roughly 20 were known in-house by day's end. We have broken down the cuts by department and by job type. We have only named employees who contacted us and gave permission, or were named elsewhere publicly.<br /><br /><strong>BY DEPARTMENT</strong><br />Business: 1<br />Copy desk: 1 (copy editor Pam Troboy, ptroboy [at] aol.com)<br />Lifestyles/arts*: 3 (food writer Joyce Saenz Harris, jesharris [at] sent.com; home/garden writer <a href="http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/2008/10/24/dmn-layoffs-begin/">Paige Phelps</a>)<br />Metro*: 5 (assistant editor Clay Morton, claymorton55 [at] msn.com; reporter Marice Richter, mhrichter [at] verizon.net; assistant editor <a href="http://www.mije.org/richardprince/im-trying-not-be-bitter">Eric Garcia</a>)<br />National/international*: 1 (assistant editor Tina Pania, tpania1 [at] yahoo.com)<br />News art: 1<br />Photo: 3 (photographer <a href="http://www.mije.org/richardprince/im-trying-not-be-bitter">Milton Hinnant</a>)<br />Sports: 4 (copy editor David Hinojosa, Dhinojosa [at] aol.com)<br /><em>* -- formerly known as</em><br /><br /><strong>BY JOB TYPE</strong><br />Assistant editor: 4<br />Copy editor: 4<br />Graphic artists/page designer: 1<br />Photographer: 1<br />Photo editor: 2<br />Reporter: 7Unknownnoreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776270284157042917.post-13209647054522563262008-10-24T10:58:00.000-05:002008-10-24T11:06:52.075-05:00Breaking news: Layoffs beginNewsroom staff members from across the building have been called into meetings and notified that they are being cut.<br /><br />Corporate previously <a href="http://www.ahbelo.com/pressRelease.x2?release=20080904-1659.html">announced</a> that the Dallas Morning News was targeted to lose 50 positions from the news, production, customer retention call center and Al Dia.<br /><br />We will try to post numbers of layoffs by department and job type by day's end. In the interest of accuracy, we may be slow to do that. The ensuing chaos may lead to mistaken information in these early stages. We ask for help with e-mail reports.<br /><br />Please be rest assured that we <u>will not</u> name employees or list specific job titles that could identify them unless they grant us permission first. We will err on the side of respecting their privacy.<br /><br /><br /><em>SPECIAL NOTE TO FALLEN COLLEAGUES: You should feel free to contact <a href="mailto:therockoftruth@gmail.com">therockoftruth@gmail.com</a> and use this blog to send farewell messages or contact information, or publicize your availablility to prospective employers. We will gladly broadcast that for you. It is the least we can do.<br /><br /></em>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com35tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776270284157042917.post-70941013497143077472008-10-24T07:15:00.006-05:002008-10-24T07:33:17.912-05:00News from corporateCEO Robert Decherd issued <a href="http://www.ahbelo.com/pressReleases/files/Letter_to_Shareholders.pdf">letters</a> today to shareholders and employees discussing "numerous initiatives on parallel paths to construct a new business model for A. H. Belo." Corporate will release third-quarter results next Friday.<br /><br />Two changes of note for staff are salary freezes and 20 percent reduction in Board of Directors fees.<br /><br />Decherd also said the reductions-in-force "will be completed soon." Several commenters toward the end of the "Great Layoff Wait of 2008" thread quoted metro editors as saying layoffs would happen today.Unknownnoreply@blogger.com12tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776270284157042917.post-60278950827315234932008-10-22T07:22:00.007-05:002008-10-22T07:36:09.960-05:00Great Layoff Wait of 2008We begin Day Three of "The Wait" by offering an open thread for everyone to share credible signs that the layoffs are finally near.<br /><br />The best information is news from a supervisor at the department head level or higher. That may not come. <br /><br />There are other clues. Did you AME or department head show up in the office during a vacation? Was an HR official seen in your department with an arm full of folders? Was the conference room's windows covered up with paper? Were cardboard boxes laying around today?Unknownnoreply@blogger.com48tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776270284157042917.post-43093904878178257292008-10-20T20:32:00.005-05:002008-10-21T07:31:09.609-05:00Gathering after D-DaySome commenters today have suggested meeting at an establishment on the day of layoffs and nursing the raw emotions with food and drink. <br /><br />The idea would be that any fallen colleagues who came would eat and drink at no cost. The hope was that commiserating may provide temporary relief. Nothing more. Nothing less.<br /><br />Exes, buyout alums and 1027s, would be welcomed as well.<br /><br />One idea was meeting after work at the bar at Founder's Grill and lasting until all hours. It is walking distance from the Dallas newsroom on the first floor of the Hotel Lawrence.<br /><br />For those who organize such a gathering, we will gladly advertise your time and location on this blog. Contact therockoftruth@gmail.com to provide specifics.Unknownnoreply@blogger.com20tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776270284157042917.post-78286422792662156592008-10-20T20:22:00.007-05:002008-10-21T07:35:54.488-05:00More comic reliefIn "Broadcast News," head honcho Bill Rorich (played by Jack Nicholson) blames the staff for layoffs and dismisses the idea of minimizing cuts by reducing his own salary.<br /> <br /><embed style = "height:385px !important; width:480px !important;" src="http://xml.truveo.com/eb/i/2695526655/a/58ef677afb89fc040e3dec6de7dd6c26/p/1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width=" 425" height=" 245"></embed><H1 style="font:bold 0.8em arial;padding:0;margin:5px;">Watch more <a href="http://video.aol.com/channel/hulu" target="_top" title="Hulu videos">Hulu videos</a> on <a href="http://video.aol.com/" target="_top" title="AOL Video">AOL Video</a></H1>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776270284157042917.post-83335195088814433122008-10-19T10:14:00.005-05:002008-10-19T10:27:27.310-05:00Wanted: Advice for week aheadThere is no easy way to say it. The week ahead will be painful. We would like to hear from people who can provide wisdom on two topics that may help us all as the DMN executes more layoffs:<br /><blockquote><p>1) For colleagues who are summoned into meetings with their supervisors and HR, what papers might they be asked to sign on the spot? Will their severance depend on agreeing? Will any rights be waived?<br /><br />2) What can employees who are not laid off do to rally around those who are? What show of support will help soothe a horrible situation? What can be done to honor these people <u>before</u> they leave the newsroom? What can be done <u>after</u> they go? </p><p>To start, Ed Bark <a href="http://newsbuyout2008.blogspot.com/2008/08/ed-bark-on-aftermath-of-job-cuts.html">offers thoughts</a>.<br /></p></blockquote>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com53tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776270284157042917.post-80076397915528285692008-10-19T09:58:00.006-05:002008-10-19T10:10:56.120-05:00Timely workshopAn alert reader has directed us to a free workshop on Nov. 1, "Becoming a successful freelancer: A workshop for writers and photographers," sponsored by <a href="http://www.spjfw.org/">SPJ's Fort Worth chapter</a> and UTA.<br /><br />Registration is required. The deadline is Oct. 29. The event starts at 8 a.m. at UTA's Fine Arts Building.<br /><br />Session topics include: how to match story ideas to the right publications, the business of freelancing, freelance photography, and travel and environmental writing.<br /><br />For more information, call Kim Pewitt-Jones at 817-480-1229 or send an e-mail to <a href="mailto:kim56@tx.rr.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:kim56@tx.rr.com" target="_blank">kim56@tx.rr.com</a>.Unknownnoreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776270284157042917.post-21153871497685830212008-10-17T12:17:00.001-05:002008-10-17T16:30:32.323-05:00Riverside layoffs hitSister newspaper, the Press-Enterprise in Riverside, Calif., laid off about 30 employees Thursday, according to multiple blogs.<br /><br />Nearly a third of the cuts came from the newsroom. The losses were roughly the number that Corporate had announced it would eliminate.<br /><br />The notifications came midafternoon, according to the well-regarded <a href="http://www.laobserved.com/archive/2008/10/layoffs_in_riverside.php">LAObserved</a> blog. The management called a <a href="http://reporter-g.blogspot.com/2008/10/layoffs-in-riverside.html">staff meeting</a> hours later. Names then <a href="http://iepapers.blogspot.com/2008/10/bleeding-continues-at-pe.html">trickled out</a> locally about the same time.<br /><br />Throughout the coverage, one blog also reported that the Press-Enterprise is apparently <a href="http://www.instantriverside.com/riverside-ca-news/riverside-press-enterprise-completes-latest-buyouts-layoffs/2008/10/17/">leasing space</a> in its building.Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776270284157042917.post-21488579148634293522008-10-14T20:03:00.004-05:002008-10-16T18:05:55.499-05:00Delayed<strong>UPDATED</strong><br /><br />Multiple reports are coming in from people in multiple departments that the layoffs have indeed delayed and will not conclude by Friday. Word circulating is that Corporate lawyers want more time.<br /><br />The layoffs appear more likely to happen next week sometime. No further details at this time.Unknownnoreply@blogger.com26tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776270284157042917.post-25766477270481688212008-10-12T21:55:00.006-05:002008-10-12T22:02:24.138-05:00Another sad chapter beginsUnless the plan has changed, <a href="http://newsbuyout2008.blogspot.com/2008/09/d-day.html">this is the week</a> that Corporate will notify a number of Dallas Morning News employees they are laid off. It will conclude the <a href="http://newsbuyout2008.blogspot.com/2008/09/look-back.html">fourth round</a> of job cuts in the newsroom since 2001.<br /><br />We remain interested in hearing from exes who have experienced this before and can provide wisdom to those who get the unfortunate news.<br /><br />We also would like to hear advice for the employees left in the aftermath on how to best to rally around each other, heal the newsroom and move forward with the continuing challenges.<br /><br />The forum is open.Unknownnoreply@blogger.com15tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776270284157042917.post-26031451917371133872008-10-10T07:19:00.009-05:002008-10-10T21:11:14.399-05:00Notes1.) Corporate <a href="http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/media/h-belo-corporation-announces-quarter-financial-results-release-conference-2002381299/">will unveil</a> third-quarter results on Friday, Oct. 31. The story with that link includes the stock price for A.H. Belo. Several alert readers pointed out that it flirted with an all-time low before closing at $3.95 Thursday.<br /><br />2.) A couple of smaller local newspapers have jobs available. Check our <a href="http://newsbuyout2008.blogspot.com/2008/09/more-jobs.html">job openings</a> for more details.<br /><br />3.) A story about the layoffs in Providence <a href="http://www.projo.com/business/content/BZ_layoffs_October_10_10-10-08_ITBSQH9_v8.2eb0762.html">published today</a> in the Journal. According to the publisher, the final cuts totaled 53. That is one shy of the high end of the range Corporate instructed the newspaper to eliminate.<br /><blockquote><strong>UPDATED:</strong> The union <a href="http://www.riguild.org/glxix-11.pdf">posted a list</a> of laid-off employees with names and job titles on its Web site. The union is calling it the Journal's "most significant downsizing in its history."</blockquote>4.) We are interested in hearing from Dallas Morning News employees who have gone through past RIFs and may be willing to share advice to those who may endure it soon. We would like to post those thoughts here. We can withhold your name if you prefer. Please contact <a href="mailto:therockoftruth@gmail.com">therockoftruth@gmail.com</a>.<br /><br /><blockquote><p><strong>UPDATED:</strong> Be sure to read the comments section. Several former employees have opted to respond there.</p><p> </p></blockquote>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com7tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776270284157042917.post-11994995583071288152008-10-09T07:20:00.001-05:002008-10-09T08:38:13.580-05:00More comic reliefAn alert reader submitted this New Yorker cartoon as we all wait for D-Day.<br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj1m53_vD5xHgPDd1SeshX7OaSnEPwOeYJJVdDSUF0Q1Zmf0-8uYWolIkxE6ja8OiqbS0KHzwQxwMvGz1wekydBtzh_tWziCSgg77IHyqztEh7050aXD9G1-I3IMkbqew_3BwYnHCpfgQg/s1600-h/image001.jpg"><img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5255146978768342434" style="FLOAT: left; MARGIN: 0px 10px 10px 0px; CURSOR: hand" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj1m53_vD5xHgPDd1SeshX7OaSnEPwOeYJJVdDSUF0Q1Zmf0-8uYWolIkxE6ja8OiqbS0KHzwQxwMvGz1wekydBtzh_tWziCSgg77IHyqztEh7050aXD9G1-I3IMkbqew_3BwYnHCpfgQg/s400/image001.jpg" border="0" /></a>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com5tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776270284157042917.post-9585600308319677552008-10-08T20:12:00.009-05:002008-10-10T21:05:56.794-05:00Dispute in ProvidenceA union official there, Tim Schick, is <a href="http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003871709">upset that management</a> has not yet allowed the newsroom to report in the Providence Journal that layoffs happened two weeks ago. The 31 employees cut there work their final shift Friday.<br /><blockquote>"There are a lot of questions about when they will be upfront with the public about what is going on," said Schick. "If it were any other business in the community, the Journal would be reporting it and seeking it out."</blockquote><br /><strong>UPDATED FRIDAY: </strong>After Editor & Publisher placed calls to Journal officials, the newspaper assigned a layoffs story. <a href="http://www.projo.com/business/content/BZ_layoffs_October_10_10-10-08_ITBSQH9_v8.2eb0762.html">It published Friday</a>.<br /><br />Howard G. Sutton, the Journal Co.’s chairman, publisher, president and chief executive officer, said it was the first time the newspaper laid off full-time newsroom employees. Along with <a href="http://newsbuyout2008.blogspot.com/2008/09/update.html">22 buyout takers</a>, the Journal's cut numbered 53. That was was one away from the high end of the range Corporate set for it.<br /><blockquote>“Even with this reduction in our news-gathering and editing ranks, we still have almost 200 people working in our newsrooms, which is a sizeable commitment to provide our readers with news and information,” Sutton said in an interview at the company’s headquarters on Fountain Street in Providence.<br /></blockquote><br /><p><strong>UPDATED FRIDAY PART 2:</strong> The union <a href="http://www.riguild.org/glxix-11.pdf">posted a list</a> of the laid-off employees, with names and titles, on its Web site.</p>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776270284157042917.post-29540894249957169852008-10-08T20:10:00.002-05:002008-10-08T20:12:07.335-05:00More comic reliefThere are a number of good scenes from the cult classic "Office Space." We chose this one for today.<br /><br /><object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/NWunAUpaOm4&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/NWunAUpaOm4&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776270284157042917.post-55073895654799839912008-10-07T07:20:00.004-05:002008-10-10T21:07:14.698-05:00Re: InputWe appreciate the feedback on how to cover D-day. We have decided to report only total numbers of losses by department and by job classification. That helps us understand the general approach taken by leadership.<br /><br />Be assured we will <u>not</u> include anyone's name or other identifying information, such as a specific job title or specific beat covered. That will stay in-house. We will delete any comments that breach this.<br /><br />Employees who want to use this blog to send a farewell message to friends or distribute contact information may contact us directly.<br /><br /><strong>UPDATED FRIDAY:</strong> The Providence newspaper union <a href="http://www.riguild.org/glxix-11.pdf">posted a list</a> of laid-off employees, with names and titles, on its Web site.Unknownnoreply@blogger.com15tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776270284157042917.post-21423294512336989462008-10-04T09:06:00.001-05:002008-10-04T09:43:12.459-05:00InputWithin the next two weeks, the layoffs will be completed. The Rock seeks your input on how to handle this day and the aftermath.<br /><br />During the buyouts, we counted newsroom losses by department. We listed departing colleagues' names only after they e-mailed or were identified publicly by managers. We also offered them the use of this blog to share their contact information or farewells.<br /><br />We believe this balanced colleagues' right to privacy with staff members' hunger for information. We are open to better ideas.<br /><br />You may share suggestions by leaving a comment or e-mailing <a href="mailto:therockoftruth@gmail.com">therockoftruth@gmail.com</a>.Unknownnoreply@blogger.com8tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776270284157042917.post-30504349990120117352008-10-04T08:55:00.007-05:002008-10-04T09:55:42.355-05:00Comic reliefEveryone can find a humorous line in this clip from "The Paper."<br /><br /><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/c1Aza_OyeEE&hl=" width="425" height="344" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" fs="1" allowfullscreen="true"></embed>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776270284157042917.post-40786295543780038192008-10-02T07:55:00.002-05:002008-10-02T08:00:35.067-05:00Poll resultsMost voters to the latest question, "Do you think the DMN will be notified of layoffs this week," think Oct. 17 may hold as a day of both announcements and departures. Providence had received two weeks' notice, which if the same method were used here would suggest news by Friday. The final results:<br /><br /><strong>22 votes (44%): </strong>No way. My bet is Oct. 17. We will get notice and depart on same day. Think 2004<br /><br /><strong>19 votes (38%):</strong> Maybe. I have heard so little anything seems possible at this point: <br /><strong></strong><br /><strong>8 votes (16%):</strong> Definitely. We will get two weeks notice like Providence. That fits in with the Oct. 17 completion targetUnknownnoreply@blogger.com9tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776270284157042917.post-30554788662030444572008-09-29T20:51:00.006-05:002008-09-29T21:10:11.881-05:00Jobs, jobs and more jobsAre you willing to leave Texas to practice journalism? If so, then there are a number of great new opportunities on our <a href="http://newsbuyout2008.blogspot.com/2008/09/more-jobs.html">updated jobs listings</a>. The list of prospective employers includes NPR, Associated Press, Bloomberg, Politico, The New York Times, Chronicle of Higher Education and Men's Health.<br /><br /><em>Know of an opening? E-mail us at </em><a href="mailto:therockoftruth@gmail.com"><em>therockoftruth@gmail.com</em></a><em>, or feel free to post a comment about your job.</em>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7776270284157042917.post-65250661757818512602008-09-28T17:20:00.005-05:002008-09-28T17:40:34.701-05:00Poll resultsThe latest results to the poll question, "Do you stand by your decision about the buyouts?," reflect some trepidation from voters. Nearly half of the 55 respondents did not take it but worry about their future as a layoff announcement looms at the Dallas Morning News.<br /><br />As for other voters, equal numbers of non-buyout takers feel safe or are willing to accept whatever lies ahead. Six of the people who did opted out and responded have no regret, though.<br /><br />The final results:<br /><br />I did not take it. I am worried for my future: <strong>26 votes (47%)</strong><br />I did not take it. I do not fear being laid off: <strong>12 votes (21%)<br /></strong>Life is short. What happens happens: <strong>11 votes (20%)</strong><br />I took it. I am glad I did: <strong>6 votes (10%)</strong><br />I took it. I wish I had not: <strong>0 votes (0%)</strong>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0